Council house life tenancies to end (From St Albans & Harpenden Review)
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St Albans council house life tenancies to end: council gives go ahead to change social housing scheme
9:00am Wednesday 16th January 2013 in News By Zoe Forsey and Rebecca Perring
Politicians have slammed the district council, describing it as "anti-democratic" for giving the go ahead to a controversial shake up of its social housing scheme, despite most voting against it.
Labour councillor Malachy Pakenham described the ruling Conservatives' decision to implement a flexible tenancy as anti-democratic and said "they are turning St Albans into a 21st century rotten borough with an elected dictatorship".
The change will mean council housing tenants’ situations will be reviewed every five years instead of the life-long tenancy that was in place. At a heated, full council meeting on Thursday, January 10, 29 councillors voted against the change and 27 voted for it.
Conservative backbencher, Councillor Nat Young was met by outrage when he described "having a council house as almost like winning a sizeable lottery win".
He said the new rules would help "genuine" vulnerable people who may be homeless while people who no longer need social housing may still be occupying a home.
His colleague, Councillor Salih Gaygusuz, added it was "morally wrong that people living in social housing earning £100,000 a year and driving around in good cars" were living in council houses, while genuine vulnerable people were struggling to be housed. Labour and Liberal Democratic councillors stood in unison against the flexible tenancies.
Liberal Democrat councillor Aislinn Lee asked Tory councillors to avoid using "a sledgehammer", while her colleague Councillor Robert Donald urged them to avoid making a "fast and loose decision" and "not to play around with people’s lives".
Under the Localism Act 2011, local housing authorities had until Monday to decide if tenants had properties for life or if they were to be reviewed every five years. If the council did not come up with a decision in time it would have been in breach of statutory duty.
Therefore, despite strong opposition, the council’s cabinet gave the go-ahead to the new tenancies at a meeting on Monday, January 14. The change will be implemented in April.
Executive leader of the council, Councillor Julian Daly said that they were unable to ignore the results of a consultation, which showed 73 per cent of tenants agreed with five-year flexible tenancies.
He said: "A great deal of the people who this will affect, unlike councillors, agreed with it."
However, in line with concerns about vulnerable tenants raised by the full council, an all-party task and finish group will be set up to research implications of the new scheme.
New tenants will also be offered a one-year introductory tenancy, during which any new changes can be implemented.
Councillor Donald said this was "simply throwing councillors a bone to make it seem as though they were listening".
Labour councillors also showed their disappointment that the scheme had been put through before more research was carried out. Councillor Pakenham said: "They have stuck two fingers up to full council and decided to ignore our arguments."
Councillor Jacob Quagliozzi added: "It’s disappointing that the majority of councillors can say something but cabinet can say we will just do it.
"From a democracy point of view this is not a great day."
Comments(10)
lovffc
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11:48am Wed 16 Jan 13
Executive leader of the council, Councillor Julian Daly said that they were unable to ignore the results of a consultation, which showed 73 per cent of tenants agreed with five-year flexible tenancies. Well if that's the case and you take notice of that. Why did the ignore the results on the allocations policy when most people did not agree with it.
Going back to the fixed tenancies the cap is 36,000 per household for a 2 bedroom, so that's 18,000 per adult , The ave rent for a private flat for a 2flat/house bed is about 1000, so that leaves 24,000 per house for bills council tax, food, and everything else.
It should be means tested for everyone and treated on each case.
They have removed over 1000 family's off the housing list because of the allocations policy and these people were overcrowded but now there not, why BECAUSE THEY SAY SO, there circumstances have not changed, there opinion does not matter, Why because they do not vote tory.
I live in social housing i work and pay tax,i am sick of people thinking we are all layabouts, just because we have little money it does not give them the right to treat us like second class citizens
How many people that make these decisions have lived in social housing, i will tell NONE, in fact most of the them live in houses that cost over half a million.
lovffc
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11:58am Wed 16 Jan 13
mr.taxpayer wrote:Your point is correct it has not been in the press, i know that the 36,000 was one fig for a two bed.
This story has been in the papers for quite a while now but no one has come out with a figure for exactly how much those in charge think is 'enough' to be moved out of your home?
Myself and my girlfriend are council tenants, we both work and don't claim benefits.
We are worried that at some point in the the next few years, we will be asked to move out as we might earn 'too much' to be given housing.
Fair enough, you may say, but even with us both working, we could NEVER afford private rent of £1200+ a month plus bills and council tax without claiming massive amounts of benefit help.
What is the amount that will tip householders over the upper earning limit?? Surely this is THE most important part of the article, and yet it hasn't been mentioned once?!
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I did see it once on the council website i think it was at one of there meetings on the webcast.
I would ring them and ask, i wish more people out started to make a fuss or have a voice.
Vanessa
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1:41pm Wed 16 Jan 13
One bedroom property £31,700
Two bedroom property £36,700
Three bedroom property £46,000
Four bedroom property £59,500
Shame the report above does not give this information!
mr.taxpayer
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3:12pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Vanessa wrote:Those figures are FAR too low in my opinion.
This new arrangement apparently does not affect existing council tenants. From the council papers it looks like if income earned/unearned exceeds the following levels tenancy would not be renewed.
One bedroom property £31,700
Two bedroom property £36,700
Three bedroom property £46,000
Four bedroom property £59,500
Shame the report above does not give this information!
So a couple both working for a very low wage (18k a year) are apparently well off enough to not warrant council housing any more?!??
That's disgusting, it's barely above minimum wage .
I also agree with the comment made about SADC removing people from their waiting lists as being overcrowded doesnt count as needy any more according to SADC. - We were recently sent the nasty letter too, but we appealed and are awaiting a response...
It's great isn't it being made a scapegoat by these government fools. Maybe they should start picking on the rich bankers who caused this mess instead of picking on the hard working class people.
Tory Scum.
busbee
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3:13pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Please could you now tell us what the average income for a resident of St Albans or Herts is?
Specifically, is it the intention of the Council to evict tenants on an average income?
There's no point asking an official or a Tory cllr, they'll just say no. What is needed is confirmation whether or not the eviction notice kicks in at, or above, or below average earnings.
Vanessa
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3:29pm Wed 16 Jan 13
I tend to agree that the thresholds are rather low for this area. However I don’t recall that being an objection raised by any councillor at any of the meetings I observed. I’m sure a councillor will correct me if my recollection is at fault.
By the way, from observing the full council meeting, I understand at least one councillor lives in social housing. He spoke quite eloquently on his personal experience I thought.
lovffc
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8:54pm Wed 16 Jan 13
Vanessa wrote:I know some of the councillors lived in social hosing when they were kids etc, i also the the portfolio folder for housing lives in a house worth a lot more, may be he one the pools.
You are too kind ‘busbee’, but I am just like any other resident, I only know what is available in the council papers on the council website.
I tend to agree that the thresholds are rather low for this area. However I don’t recall that being an objection raised by any councillor at any of the meetings I observed. I’m sure a councillor will correct me if my recollection is at fault.
By the way, from observing the full council meeting, I understand at least one councillor lives in social housing. He spoke quite eloquently on his personal experience I thought.
i watched the meeting before Christmas and objections were rasied about the income.
The bottom line is the vote was a waste of time it was passed anyway.
Arthur Strong
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10:06pm Wed 16 Jan 13
busbee wrote:The median income is of more representative than the average as that is skewed by a few, very high earners.
Thank you Vanessa, you are a fount of knowledge.
Please could you now tell us what the average income for a resident of St Albans or Herts is?
Specifically, is it the intention of the Council to evict tenants on an average income?
There's no point asking an official or a Tory cllr, they'll just say no. What is needed is confirmation whether or not the eviction notice kicks in at, or above, or below average earnings.
busbee
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10:21am Fri 18 Jan 13
Vanessa is being reasonable in stating that, maybe, the principle is fair. It is only an extension of the widespread practice of excluding people from the waiting list with sizeable savings or satisfactory homes of their own.
But all these policies come up against the inconvenient truth that even moderately wealthy people can be in genuine housing poverty in an area such as ours with huge house and land prices.
The only policy which will 'sort' this issue is to build large numbers of affordable homes.
The Tories don't want to do this. Inevitably they will try out sticking plaster solutions that create anomalies and injustices.
mr.taxpayer says...
11:29am Wed 16 Jan 13
Myself and my girlfriend are council tenants, we both work and don't claim benefits.
We are worried that at some point in the the next few years, we will be asked to move out as we might earn 'too much' to be given housing.
Fair enough, you may say, but even with us both working, we could NEVER afford private rent of £1200+ a month plus bills and council tax without claiming massive amounts of benefit help.
What is the amount that will tip householders over the upper earning limit?? Surely this is THE most important part of the article, and yet it hasn't been mentioned once?!
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