Watford health campus: plans will carry on 'one way or another' despite allotment site challenge

St Albans & Harpenden Review: Watford health campus: plans will carry on 'one way or another' despite allotment site challenge Watford health campus: plans will carry on 'one way or another' despite allotment site challenge

The elected Mayor of Watford said the health campus project will carry on "one way or another".

Dorothy Thornhill was reacting to the news that the High Court has given Farm Terrace allotment holders permission to proceed with a challenge to Eric Pickles’s decision to allow Watford Council to build on their allotment site.

Mayor Thornhill said: "This is all part of the process. We will carry on just the same. The planning permission is in and we will continue until the final decision has been made.

"We knew the campaigners would take it as far as they could. That is their right. Whatever way it goes the campus will be redeveloped with or without the allotments.

"We believe we made the right decision for the right reason, and the Secretary of State agrees.
"This is such a big project that spans a decade and there is plenty to be getting on with.

"It is an important project of which the allotments play a significant role. If we cannot use them we will have to build more houses around that will be more dense. We will crack on and make adjustments if we need to. The site will be developed one way or another."
 

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5:27pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Cuetip says...

Residents are looking for a development which is sensitive to the area and not inflexible to the concerns raised by those who are looking beyond the compression of more bricks and mortar into a very congested part of Watford.
Residents are looking for a development which is sensitive to the area and not inflexible to the concerns raised by those who are looking beyond the compression of more bricks and mortar into a very congested part of Watford. Cuetip
  • Score: -9

6:10pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Andrew1963 says...

If you look at the master plan, you can see that basically the Cardiff Road Industrial estate and the allotments are going to be redeveloped as one big integrated housing development. Even the allotment land shown to be used by the hospital is not actually cultivated allotments, it is mostly now a car park. The only areas not described as residential are the two sides of the new link road on the site of the old Croxley Green railway sheds (business area north and business area south. The rest is all residential - Riverside residential; Willow Lane residential; Cardiff Road residential and Farm Terrace. The reason the allotments are important is that they can be developed quickly for profitable housing. If they build 75 family houses and sell 50 at an average of £300,000 - and think about it when are new build houses ever less? That's £15 million in the bank straight away. With selling 500 of the 700 residential units at an average of £250,000 that will mean the development will raise £125 million in private residential sales alone. Selling the 200 social housing units to a housing association will raise another £50 million. If the hospital wants any money for new facilities it will get none from this development and will have to sell their land to the development partners to raise the cash for improvements. Once you realise that the hospital site is worth £100s millions as a residential redevelopment, you can see why the Mayor is not bothered about increasing housing density in West Watford or indeed why she is not getting the coalition government to fund a new hospital!
If you look at the master plan, you can see that basically the Cardiff Road Industrial estate and the allotments are going to be redeveloped as one big integrated housing development. Even the allotment land shown to be used by the hospital is not actually cultivated allotments, it is mostly now a car park. The only areas not described as residential are the two sides of the new link road on the site of the old Croxley Green railway sheds (business area north and business area south. The rest is all residential - Riverside residential; Willow Lane residential; Cardiff Road residential and Farm Terrace. The reason the allotments are important is that they can be developed quickly for profitable housing. If they build 75 family houses and sell 50 at an average of £300,000 - and think about it when are new build houses ever less? That's £15 million in the bank straight away. With selling 500 of the 700 residential units at an average of £250,000 that will mean the development will raise £125 million in private residential sales alone. Selling the 200 social housing units to a housing association will raise another £50 million. If the hospital wants any money for new facilities it will get none from this development and will have to sell their land to the development partners to raise the cash for improvements. Once you realise that the hospital site is worth £100s millions as a residential redevelopment, you can see why the Mayor is not bothered about increasing housing density in West Watford or indeed why she is not getting the coalition government to fund a new hospital! Andrew1963
  • Score: 25

6:32pm Tue 22 Apr 14

crazyfrog says...

a verbal two fingers to the residents of west watford.
this woman needs removing from her post ASAP
a verbal two fingers to the residents of west watford. this woman needs removing from her post ASAP crazyfrog
  • Score: 38

6:45pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ED12 says...

The mayor is a disgrace, the people of Watford would have far more respect for her if she stopped calling this development a health campus. The health part of this development if built may not arrive until 2023 and in the mean time parts of the hospital will actually demolished. Even in the application they admit that the original plan was for a new hospital but that is no longer the case. The hospital is being forced to sell and and pay towards the road instead of spending money on health care.

The mayor is also wrong to say that "The planning permission is " ,it is not in only the application is in.

In addition she will not say if she is going to stand for parliament which means that if she did and go on to get elected Watford could be left with a part time mayor and MP or faced with the additional cost of another election, and she says she cares about Watford !
The mayor is a disgrace, the people of Watford would have far more respect for her if she stopped calling this development a health campus. The health part of this development if built may not arrive until 2023 and in the mean time parts of the hospital will actually demolished. Even in the application they admit that the original plan was for a new hospital but that is no longer the case. The hospital is being forced to sell and and pay towards the road instead of spending money on health care. The mayor is also wrong to say that "The planning permission is " ,it is not in only the application is in. In addition she will not say if she is going to stand for parliament which means that if she did and go on to get elected Watford could be left with a part time mayor and MP or faced with the additional cost of another election, and she says she cares about Watford ! ED12
  • Score: 23

7:01pm Tue 22 Apr 14

gusgreen says...

How arrogant can a person become?

"The site will be developed one way or another."

or in other words "stuff the residents I know whats best"

Total disgrace!
How arrogant can a person become? "The site will be developed one way or another." or in other words "stuff the residents I know whats best" Total disgrace! gusgreen
  • Score: 32

7:29pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Keefer says...

How can Politicians claim we live in a Democracy (which, incidentally, the Liberal Democrats take their name from) when this Woman won't entertain the idea of a Democratic vote or Democratic opinion?

She makes the statement that nothing will change with a certainty that suggests a deal has already been struck with a faceless organisation, guaranteeing her victory.

Dorothy needs to go, before Watford becomes a monument to her self-indulgent arrogance and we're left to inherit her mess ...again, and once She's out, her Party should be banned from canvassing for votes in Watford until every example of her folly is erased.
How can Politicians claim we live in a Democracy (which, incidentally, the Liberal Democrats take their name from) when this Woman won't entertain the idea of a Democratic vote or Democratic opinion? She makes the statement that nothing will change with a certainty that suggests a deal has already been struck with a faceless organisation, guaranteeing her victory. Dorothy needs to go, before Watford becomes a monument to her self-indulgent arrogance and we're left to inherit her mess ...again, and once She's out, her Party should be banned from canvassing for votes in Watford until every example of her folly is erased. Keefer
  • Score: 22

8:25pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Wacko Jacko says...

The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years.
The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years. Wacko Jacko
  • Score: -29

8:55pm Tue 22 Apr 14

crazyfrog says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years.
Sounds very rosy but back to real life now, what happens when you need the services of watford general but you have to wait hours and hours and hours in A+E or it's shut because it's overwhelmed of you need an ambulance but none are available because they are back logging at the A+E or you have to wait forever for an outpatient appointment, why ? Because the hospital can't be better developed unless it sells land off to the developer then if it does the lack of land will hamper a decent upgrade, if you won't to live in a colossal cramped housing estate then be our guest but don't expect the residents of west watford to view life through your rose tinted specs.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years.[/p][/quote]Sounds very rosy but back to real life now, what happens when you need the services of watford general but you have to wait hours and hours and hours in A+E or it's shut because it's overwhelmed of you need an ambulance but none are available because they are back logging at the A+E or you have to wait forever for an outpatient appointment, why ? Because the hospital can't be better developed unless it sells land off to the developer then if it does the lack of land will hamper a decent upgrade, if you won't to live in a colossal cramped housing estate then be our guest but don't expect the residents of west watford to view life through your rose tinted specs. crazyfrog
  • Score: 13

9:01pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Maceo & Fred says...

Good evening Councilor Sharpe. It is nice for you to say that once completed West Watford will become one of the most desirable areas of the town. Let's see if you and the Mayor will sell up and move from leafy Oxhey to a ward with a population density similar to an inner London Borough. As our Mayor has just said "the housing campus will continue with or without the allotments .
I wonder if that public comment will come back to haunt her once the case is heard in the high court!
Good evening Councilor Sharpe. It is nice for you to say that once completed West Watford will become one of the most desirable areas of the town. Let's see if you and the Mayor will sell up and move from leafy Oxhey to a ward with a population density similar to an inner London Borough. As our Mayor has just said "the housing campus will continue with or without the allotments . I wonder if that public comment will come back to haunt her once the case is heard in the high court! Maceo & Fred
  • Score: 23

9:02pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

I would quite like a new health campus in Watford.
I would quite like a new health campus in Watford. ramage1996
  • Score: -2

9:04pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ramage1996 says...

Maceo & Fred wrote:
Good evening Councilor Sharpe. It is nice for you to say that once completed West Watford will become one of the most desirable areas of the town. Let's see if you and the Mayor will sell up and move from leafy Oxhey to a ward with a population density similar to an inner London Borough. As our Mayor has just said "the housing campus will continue with or without the allotments .
I wonder if that public comment will come back to haunt her once the case is heard in the high court!
Maybe you should just accept the offer of an alternative allotment site so we can have a new hospital...


You seem a bit selfish to me
[quote][p][bold]Maceo & Fred[/bold] wrote: Good evening Councilor Sharpe. It is nice for you to say that once completed West Watford will become one of the most desirable areas of the town. Let's see if you and the Mayor will sell up and move from leafy Oxhey to a ward with a population density similar to an inner London Borough. As our Mayor has just said "the housing campus will continue with or without the allotments . I wonder if that public comment will come back to haunt her once the case is heard in the high court![/p][/quote]Maybe you should just accept the offer of an alternative allotment site so we can have a new hospital... You seem a bit selfish to me ramage1996
  • Score: -16

9:12pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Keefer says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years.
The one thing West Watford doesn't need is 650 more Residencies! The rest I can accept as favourable to the area and it's future, but screaming Kids and their unemployed Parents is something we already have in spades.

But I'm not the selfish type, so... since we won the Hospital Campus, Let Hemel have the Residencies - they're surrounded by fields just crying out to be concreted over, and think of the revenue for Dacorum from all of those new rented properties.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years.[/p][/quote]The one thing West Watford doesn't need is 650 more Residencies! The rest I can accept as favourable to the area and it's future, but screaming Kids and their unemployed Parents is something we already have in spades. But I'm not the selfish type, so... since we won the Hospital Campus, Let Hemel have the Residencies - they're surrounded by fields just crying out to be concreted over, and think of the revenue for Dacorum from all of those new rented properties. Keefer
  • Score: 12

9:43pm Tue 22 Apr 14

crazyfrog says...

ramage1996 wrote:
Maceo & Fred wrote:
Good evening Councilor Sharpe. It is nice for you to say that once completed West Watford will become one of the most desirable areas of the town. Let's see if you and the Mayor will sell up and move from leafy Oxhey to a ward with a population density similar to an inner London Borough. As our Mayor has just said "the housing campus will continue with or without the allotments .
I wonder if that public comment will come back to haunt her once the case is heard in the high court!
Maybe you should just accept the offer of an alternative allotment site so we can have a new hospital...


You seem a bit selfish to me
Keep up sir the hospital development looks like along long way off if not at all, and far from a health campus this development is a private developer building lots of houses on every inch of valuable land around the hospital so when the hospital manage to get funding in the future for a upgrade they will be severely hampered because of all the new houses this development will bring.

This is actually an anti-health campus development !!!
But it has been spun by the mayor to be a health campus development I really can't fathom why she is totally intent on this it's quite baffling really.
[quote][p][bold]ramage1996[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Maceo & Fred[/bold] wrote: Good evening Councilor Sharpe. It is nice for you to say that once completed West Watford will become one of the most desirable areas of the town. Let's see if you and the Mayor will sell up and move from leafy Oxhey to a ward with a population density similar to an inner London Borough. As our Mayor has just said "the housing campus will continue with or without the allotments . I wonder if that public comment will come back to haunt her once the case is heard in the high court![/p][/quote]Maybe you should just accept the offer of an alternative allotment site so we can have a new hospital... You seem a bit selfish to me[/p][/quote]Keep up sir the hospital development looks like along long way off if not at all, and far from a health campus this development is a private developer building lots of houses on every inch of valuable land around the hospital so when the hospital manage to get funding in the future for a upgrade they will be severely hampered because of all the new houses this development will bring. This is actually an anti-health campus development !!! But it has been spun by the mayor to be a health campus development I really can't fathom why she is totally intent on this it's quite baffling really. crazyfrog
  • Score: 10

10:17pm Tue 22 Apr 14

titn003 says...

We all have different viewpoint however I wish people were not so resistant to change and move with the times. This project will bring prosperity to the area and improve an run down area of Watford. Work needs to start and completed asap so that we as an entire community can harvest the benefits. IMO.
We all have different viewpoint however I wish people were not so resistant to change and move with the times. This project will bring prosperity to the area and improve an run down area of Watford. Work needs to start and completed asap so that we as an entire community can harvest the benefits. IMO. titn003
  • Score: -14

10:19pm Tue 22 Apr 14

titn003 says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years.
well said !
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years.[/p][/quote]well said ! titn003
  • Score: -20

11:12pm Tue 22 Apr 14

#UKMum says...

Wacko Jacko

Hmmm I am tryinfg to remember what Norman Tebbit said ...... erm ... something about getting on bikes I think .....
Wacko Jacko Hmmm I am tryinfg to remember what Norman Tebbit said ...... erm ... something about getting on bikes I think ..... #UKMum
  • Score: 0

11:22pm Tue 22 Apr 14

#UKMum says...

"harvest the benefits"

What benefits?

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Exactly what jobs will be created by this Wealth Campus?
The developer will bring their own specialised staff. Small businesses don't necessarily rent office space and thus saving money.
"harvest the benefits" What benefits? Secondary School Place Crisis http://www.watfordob server.co.uk/news/11 059511.More_than_200 _children_miss_out_o n_secondary_school_p laces_in_south_west_ Hertfordshire/?actio n=complain&cid=12543 971 Mortgage Inquisition http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2609859/The-mortgage -inquisition-Borrowe rs-face-tough-new-qu iz-home-loan-spell-e nd-cheap-fixed-rates -warns-watchdog.html Exactly what jobs will be created by this Wealth Campus? The developer will bring their own specialised staff. Small businesses don't necessarily rent office space and thus saving money. #UKMum
  • Score: 5

11:35pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Andrew1963 says...

Wacko Jacko wrote:
The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years.
With all this investment and money sloshing around, why is it necessary to build on the allotments. Why not just leave them as they are? As the mayor has said the plans can go ahead without them, they land is not needed for the hospital. If the land is not needed for the scheme to go ahead - get on and do it without building on the allotments. Surely with all this new building in the area not reliant on building on the allotments, just leave them alone.
[quote][p][bold]Wacko Jacko[/bold] wrote: The contributors (above) to this thread are stuck in the past. West Watford is seeing more inward investment and regeneration than any other part of the town. Think about it, a new Morrisons, a new school close by, plans for a multi million pound renewal of Westfield campus, regeneration of Watford Business Park, the Croxley rail link and two new stations in West Watford which will make commuting much easier, and then there's the health campus with 650 new residences a large proportion of which will be affordable, new places to work, new local shops, new hospital facilities, new publicly accessible open spaces and improved access to the river valley. The result of all this investment is West Watford will be transformed from one of the less attractive parts of the town into one of the most desirable. It's time to wake up and give your support to the best thing that's happened to your area in years.[/p][/quote]With all this investment and money sloshing around, why is it necessary to build on the allotments. Why not just leave them as they are? As the mayor has said the plans can go ahead without them, they land is not needed for the hospital. If the land is not needed for the scheme to go ahead - get on and do it without building on the allotments. Surely with all this new building in the area not reliant on building on the allotments, just leave them alone. Andrew1963
  • Score: 13

2:20am Wed 23 Apr 14

Veritas says...

West Watford does not need any more development.
Its full!!!
Would have loved to be in Daft Dottys office today when she got the
news of impending Legal action by people she has contempt for.

Would have wiped that smirk off her face. She has to go and once people
get over all the waffle, also she has done is ruin Watford in the 12 years.
Don't take our work, just go down Vicarage rd at 4pm, well at least try!

Try getting your kids in too local schools, near on impossible.
She blames County for the School places fiasco, but she has been around for 12 long hard years, she managed to stop much needed changing rooms
and let the developer off the hook, so she can wrongly do things!!

Vote her out and Save Watford
West Watford does not need any more development. Its full!!! Would have loved to be in Daft Dottys office today when she got the news of impending Legal action by people she has contempt for. Would have wiped that smirk off her face. She has to go and once people get over all the waffle, also she has done is ruin Watford in the 12 years. Don't take our work, just go down Vicarage rd at 4pm, well at least try! Try getting your kids in too local schools, near on impossible. She blames County for the School places fiasco, but she has been around for 12 long hard years, she managed to stop much needed changing rooms and let the developer off the hook, so she can wrongly do things!! Vote her out and Save Watford Veritas
  • Score: 17

2:22am Wed 23 Apr 14

Veritas says...

Oh, and take that Rotund person with her. How can you respect a
person like him as a Councillor who comes on with such pathetic aliases
Oh, and take that Rotund person with her. How can you respect a person like him as a Councillor who comes on with such pathetic aliases Veritas
  • Score: 7

9:58am Wed 23 Apr 14

TRT says...

The application process has started. The link in the previous WO article to the planning portal allows one to officially register objections to the project. When I looked there were over 60 objections in. I encourage you to register your complaint. Dotty's words above say it all. They can do it with or without building on the cultivated part of the allotments, so therefore their application to use the allotments is not an over-riding concern. It's simple profiteering. They have also just applied to the Secretary of State for a compulsory purchase of all the land between Dalton Way and Rose Gardens that they don't already own - I'd again advise people to write in and object to that. This order also covers the playing fields by Oxhey Park, another U-turn on past election promises made by councillors.
The application process has started. The link in the previous WO article to the planning portal allows one to officially register objections to the project. When I looked there were over 60 objections in. I encourage you to register your complaint. Dotty's words above say it all. They can do it with or without building on the cultivated part of the allotments, so therefore their application to use the allotments is not an over-riding concern. It's simple profiteering. They have also just applied to the Secretary of State for a compulsory purchase of all the land between Dalton Way and Rose Gardens that they don't already own - I'd again advise people to write in and object to that. This order also covers the playing fields by Oxhey Park, another U-turn on past election promises made by councillors. TRT
  • Score: 9

1:48pm Wed 23 Apr 14

RadioactiveRant says...

Lets not forget the £4.3m wasted on poor quality paving slabs on the Parade; is there any method of removing the Mayor via a local referendum?

Also recommend anyone with thoughts on the plans make them at: http://pa.watford.go
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The case officer won't take comments made here into account.
Lets not forget the £4.3m wasted on poor quality paving slabs on the Parade; is there any method of removing the Mayor via a local referendum? Also recommend anyone with thoughts on the plans make them at: http://pa.watford.go v.uk/publicaccess/ap plicationDetails.do? activeTab=makeCommen t&keyVal=N3CVDTQW0FJ 00 The case officer won't take comments made here into account. RadioactiveRant
  • Score: 4

2:02pm Wed 23 Apr 14

D_Penn says...

If anyone thinks that this will be the end of the Lib Dems mania with building all over Watford, think again.

Their rose-tinted view is more and more flats must always be a good thing. They have an unquestioning desire to build, build, build and to hell with the consequences. It matters not a jot to them how many people want to live in South East England; they will continue to provide stacks and stacks of flats even if Watford ends up as standing room only.

So the reality is that every space in Watford is an open season target for developers and the bursting population density or trashing of the shrinking green space is of no concern to the arrogant Lib Dem Councillors.

These projects plough on, one after the other, more green space disappears, more people crowd into the town, onto the roads and fill up the schools. Meanwhile, money pours into the Council coffers which is then spent on vanity projects such as decorating The Parade or prettily printed reports telling everyone how clever the Lib Dems are at running Watford. Nice trick if you can convince the gullible. Let's see if on May 22nd the ballot box shows that the people of Watford are not as daft as the Lib Dems hope we are.
If anyone thinks that this will be the end of the Lib Dems mania with building all over Watford, think again. Their rose-tinted view is more and more flats must always be a good thing. They have an unquestioning desire to build, build, build and to hell with the consequences. It matters not a jot to them how many people want to live in South East England; they will continue to provide stacks and stacks of flats even if Watford ends up as standing room only. So the reality is that every space in Watford is an open season target for developers and the bursting population density or trashing of the shrinking green space is of no concern to the arrogant Lib Dem Councillors. These projects plough on, one after the other, more green space disappears, more people crowd into the town, onto the roads and fill up the schools. Meanwhile, money pours into the Council coffers which is then spent on vanity projects such as decorating The Parade or prettily printed reports telling everyone how clever the Lib Dems are at running Watford. Nice trick if you can convince the gullible. Let's see if on May 22nd the ballot box shows that the people of Watford are not as daft as the Lib Dems hope we are. D_Penn
  • Score: 6

2:35pm Wed 23 Apr 14

TRT says...

I'm looking at the new station at Vicarage Road, and I'm thinking... you know, there's two huge plots of public land immediately on either side of it... and such proximity to a tube station... must be worth a premium for housing now... does it matter that the land is used? One's a playground, the other side is allotments. I'm betting Dotty & her cronie crew have just got kerching signs in their eyes over those places.
I'm looking at the new station at Vicarage Road, and I'm thinking... you know, there's two huge plots of public land immediately on either side of it... and such proximity to a tube station... must be worth a premium for housing now... does it matter that the land is used? One's a playground, the other side is allotments. I'm betting Dotty & her cronie crew have just got kerching signs in their eyes over those places. TRT
  • Score: 6

2:53pm Wed 23 Apr 14

sjtrebar says...

Mayor Dorothy herself admits that the so called 'Health Campus' will go ahead with or without the allotments (and apparently without the consent of local residents)! SO why exactly does she need the allotments? And if she can do it without the allotments why put us all through this? The local residents don't want to loose them, many would really like a plot on them. The allotments were not required at the beginning, why now? I believe she will use us as an excuse to build even more High density Housing in an already over crowded part of Watford. But if the Council hadn’t sanctioned such a mass building of flats over the past few years instead of houses they wouldn’t need to publicise that they are bringing much needed family homes to the borough!
Also why have the council and Kier been allowed to make a private company outside public scrutiny to deal with this whole scheme?
Mayor Dorothy herself admits that the so called 'Health Campus' will go ahead with or without the allotments (and apparently without the consent of local residents)! SO why exactly does she need the allotments? And if she can do it without the allotments why put us all through this? The local residents don't want to loose them, many would really like a plot on them. The allotments were not required at the beginning, why now? I believe she will use us as an excuse to build even more High density Housing in an already over crowded part of Watford. But if the Council hadn’t sanctioned such a mass building of flats over the past few years instead of houses they wouldn’t need to publicise that they are bringing much needed family homes to the borough! Also why have the council and Kier been allowed to make a private company outside public scrutiny to deal with this whole scheme? sjtrebar
  • Score: 8

4:02pm Wed 23 Apr 14

ancientandageing says...

@Andrew

It is also worth noting that the problems re schools are not WBC but HCC's headache.

The allotment land is not needed, it is just rather handy if they want to make a buck, whilst yes this is technically a buck for us, I reckon they could make it elsewhere, or maybe take a more balanced view.

I still think that the allotment holders have a very good chance of winning, that the council took a bet so to speak on them not being able to take action and know just won't back down. They are IMHO wrong and will end up with combined legal fees of between 50-100K and having to redesign the development.
I don't suppose wasting 100K of our money on this matters to Dorothy not when the potential gains for the developers are so big, it is however rather sad that she is able to take the voters for granted, in the knowledge that no matter how bad she is she and the Libdems will get back in
@Andrew It is also worth noting that the problems re schools are not WBC but HCC's headache. The allotment land is not needed, it is just rather handy if they want to make a buck, whilst yes this is technically a buck for us, I reckon they could make it elsewhere, or maybe take a more balanced view. I still think that the allotment holders have a very good chance of winning, that the council took a bet so to speak on them not being able to take action and know just won't back down. They are IMHO wrong and will end up with combined legal fees of between 50-100K and having to redesign the development. I don't suppose wasting 100K of our money on this matters to Dorothy not when the potential gains for the developers are so big, it is however rather sad that she is able to take the voters for granted, in the knowledge that no matter how bad she is she and the Libdems will get back in ancientandageing
  • Score: 4

7:12pm Wed 23 Apr 14

#UKMum says...

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  • Score: -3

11:50pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Veritas says...

Hmm a "Private Company" outside Public Scrutiny??

How Is that Possible, is there is Dictator running Watford Council?
Able to block Public scrutiny into the Use of Public funds?
Or are we in a Democracy where good opposition Councillors can ask
questions on our behalf and let us know the results?

Yes, Schools are not WBC, but you would think a Any Good Council and
Mayor earning too much money would have pointed that out to HCC.

It shows how totally Useless Dotty is, when she can't take a walk to the Births office for 12 plus bloody years to see a short fall in school places and a huge increase in Births!!

Also the largest opposition on County is you guessed it Libs!!
Hmm a "Private Company" outside Public Scrutiny?? How Is that Possible, is there is Dictator running Watford Council? Able to block Public scrutiny into the Use of Public funds? Or are we in a Democracy where good opposition Councillors can ask questions on our behalf and let us know the results? Yes, Schools are not WBC, but you would think a Any Good Council and Mayor earning too much money would have pointed that out to HCC. It shows how totally Useless Dotty is, when she can't take a walk to the Births office for 12 plus bloody years to see a short fall in school places and a huge increase in Births!! Also the largest opposition on County is you guessed it Libs!! Veritas
  • Score: 4

4:05am Thu 24 Apr 14

John Dowdle says...

I don't know why Iain Sharpe continues to peddle the incorrect figure of 650 accommodation units when he knows full well that the latest figure is 750.
My guess is that all this fiasco will end up in a whole lot of tears - not for the idiots who are promoting it but for a lot of vulnerable people.
People such as those sold accommodation units built on flood plain.
How long will it be before they find it impossible to get home insurance?
Where will hospital staff be able to park their cars while at work?
Where will patients and their visitors park their cars?
Instead of going for a "big bang" approach, I would have thought a more gradualist approach would make much more sense - leaving the allotments completely out of it, of course.
I think any true analysis of the land in the area would conclude that very little of it is suitable for home construction purposes.
Has anyone been to the whole area and walked around it? I have........
I don't know why Iain Sharpe continues to peddle the incorrect figure of 650 accommodation units when he knows full well that the latest figure is 750. My guess is that all this fiasco will end up in a whole lot of tears - not for the idiots who are promoting it but for a lot of vulnerable people. People such as those sold accommodation units built on flood plain. How long will it be before they find it impossible to get home insurance? Where will hospital staff be able to park their cars while at work? Where will patients and their visitors park their cars? Instead of going for a "big bang" approach, I would have thought a more gradualist approach would make much more sense - leaving the allotments completely out of it, of course. I think any true analysis of the land in the area would conclude that very little of it is suitable for home construction purposes. Has anyone been to the whole area and walked around it? I have........ John Dowdle
  • Score: 8

8:51am Thu 24 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

sjtrebar wrote:
Mayor Dorothy herself admits that the so called 'Health Campus' will go ahead with or without the allotments (and apparently without the consent of local residents)! SO why exactly does she need the allotments? And if she can do it without the allotments why put us all through this? The local residents don't want to loose them, many would really like a plot on them. The allotments were not required at the beginning, why now? I believe she will use us as an excuse to build even more High density Housing in an already over crowded part of Watford. But if the Council hadn’t sanctioned such a mass building of flats over the past few years instead of houses they wouldn’t need to publicise that they are bringing much needed family homes to the borough!
Also why have the council and Kier been allowed to make a private company outside public scrutiny to deal with this whole scheme?
She has really strengthened your appeal with this arrogant statement. I hope you win the appeal.

There is only one reason allotments are being built on across the land. They are prime building land and worth a lot of money. Basically, it's greed.

The other thing is, allotments do not fit neatly into this Dotty-town housing development. It's really not that sort of place, "know what I mean"?
[quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: Mayor Dorothy herself admits that the so called 'Health Campus' will go ahead with or without the allotments (and apparently without the consent of local residents)! SO why exactly does she need the allotments? And if she can do it without the allotments why put us all through this? The local residents don't want to loose them, many would really like a plot on them. The allotments were not required at the beginning, why now? I believe she will use us as an excuse to build even more High density Housing in an already over crowded part of Watford. But if the Council hadn’t sanctioned such a mass building of flats over the past few years instead of houses they wouldn’t need to publicise that they are bringing much needed family homes to the borough! Also why have the council and Kier been allowed to make a private company outside public scrutiny to deal with this whole scheme?[/p][/quote]She has really strengthened your appeal with this arrogant statement. I hope you win the appeal. There is only one reason allotments are being built on across the land. They are prime building land and worth a lot of money. Basically, it's greed. The other thing is, allotments do not fit neatly into this Dotty-town housing development. It's really not that sort of place, "know what I mean"? Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 1

8:52am Thu 24 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

sjtrebar wrote:
Mayor Dorothy herself admits that the so called 'Health Campus' will go ahead with or without the allotments (and apparently without the consent of local residents)! SO why exactly does she need the allotments? And if she can do it without the allotments why put us all through this? The local residents don't want to loose them, many would really like a plot on them. The allotments were not required at the beginning, why now? I believe she will use us as an excuse to build even more High density Housing in an already over crowded part of Watford. But if the Council hadn’t sanctioned such a mass building of flats over the past few years instead of houses they wouldn’t need to publicise that they are bringing much needed family homes to the borough!
Also why have the council and Kier been allowed to make a private company outside public scrutiny to deal with this whole scheme?
I forgot to mention. If I am elected all this secrecy will end.

This council will become the most open, and therefore honest, council in the land.
[quote][p][bold]sjtrebar[/bold] wrote: Mayor Dorothy herself admits that the so called 'Health Campus' will go ahead with or without the allotments (and apparently without the consent of local residents)! SO why exactly does she need the allotments? And if she can do it without the allotments why put us all through this? The local residents don't want to loose them, many would really like a plot on them. The allotments were not required at the beginning, why now? I believe she will use us as an excuse to build even more High density Housing in an already over crowded part of Watford. But if the Council hadn’t sanctioned such a mass building of flats over the past few years instead of houses they wouldn’t need to publicise that they are bringing much needed family homes to the borough! Also why have the council and Kier been allowed to make a private company outside public scrutiny to deal with this whole scheme?[/p][/quote]I forgot to mention. If I am elected all this secrecy will end. This council will become the most open, and therefore honest, council in the land. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -4

10:42am Thu 24 Apr 14

Veritas says...

Mr Phil, Prime building land? We don't think so, Building on a flood plain?
Wonder if House Insurance is affected already in areas of Watford?

Building an Access Road through the Irish Club land, again on a flood Plain Land? Unless we pump it up Wiggenhall Rd and into Daft Doty's house, there is no where for it to go apart from houses behind Queens
rd, areas which came perilously close to being flooded, lets not forget
the Lower High St and Water Lane, how bad they were!!

Infact, more trees and Allotments are needed to soak up the Water, not less.
One has to wonder the lack of joined up thinking by Dotty and the Developers?
Dotty and that half-wit husband of hers are getting nearly £100,000 a year
for doing nothing more than open a few parks, and destroying Watford

What is valuable is the new Underground stn, so no doubt as has been mentioned here, lots of the green spaces left in West Watford, Hollywell, will
catch the eye of this Dodgy Administration and greedy Developers.

Also Mr Phil, you want a full Mayoral salary? If everyone is in agreement that it is Way too much, you should make a stand now and declare a reduced amount.
Mr Phil, Prime building land? We don't think so, Building on a flood plain? Wonder if House Insurance is affected already in areas of Watford? Building an Access Road through the Irish Club land, again on a flood Plain Land? Unless we pump it up Wiggenhall Rd and into Daft Doty's house, there is no where for it to go apart from houses behind Queens rd, areas which came perilously close to being flooded, lets not forget the Lower High St and Water Lane, how bad they were!! Infact, more trees and Allotments are needed to soak up the Water, not less. One has to wonder the lack of joined up thinking by Dotty and the Developers? Dotty and that half-wit husband of hers are getting nearly £100,000 a year for doing nothing more than open a few parks, and destroying Watford What is valuable is the new Underground stn, so no doubt as has been mentioned here, lots of the green spaces left in West Watford, Hollywell, will catch the eye of this Dodgy Administration and greedy Developers. Also Mr Phil, you want a full Mayoral salary? If everyone is in agreement that it is Way too much, you should make a stand now and declare a reduced amount. Veritas
  • Score: 8

11:05am Thu 24 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Veritas,

you make a good point. I am aware of it being flood plain but it is in the middle of Watford and in that respect, if people are going to build on it, it is a prime site and worth a lot of money. Half the profits go to the LibDem council so that makes Dotty a property developer with a profit motive.

As for the salary, you pay that already and look what you have got. Not much of a bargain. Are you seriously expecting to pay less and get more? I think the salary is about right, it's the people you do already and might pay it in the future that is wrong.

If you want quality, you must be prepared to pay for it.

If you want to save money, paying to get a good cost-cutting Mayor could save far more and do far more good than lopping a few grand off the Mayors salary.

Come along to the hustings and ask the question. Someone is bound to and I look forward to answering it in more detail.
Veritas, you make a good point. I am aware of it being flood plain but it is in the middle of Watford and in that respect, if people are going to build on it, it is a prime site and worth a lot of money. Half the profits go to the LibDem council so that makes Dotty a property developer with a profit motive. As for the salary, you pay that already and look what you have got. Not much of a bargain. Are you seriously expecting to pay less and get more? I think the salary is about right, it's the people you do already and might pay it in the future that is wrong. If you want quality, you must be prepared to pay for it. If you want to save money, paying to get a good cost-cutting Mayor could save far more and do far more good than lopping a few grand off the Mayors salary. Come along to the hustings and ask the question. Someone is bound to and I look forward to answering it in more detail. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -4

1:32pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Veritas says...

Nice try Phil, you already sound like Dotty!!!

Watford does not need a paid Mayor. Chairman of the Borough Council
is more than enough, and has been agreed by most parties as the
way back to reality.

So why do we need a Chief Executive on £130,000 Pa, as well?

Have you not noticed that no one else wants Elected Mayors, if they are that good, everyone would elect them.

To get another Mugabe like Daft Dotty, only accountable to that dodgy smirk in the Mirror, is not Democracy!

A good experienced Chief Executive, and good elected Councillors is
the NATIONAL Template.

Also who appointed this Muppet Lewis?
Nice try Phil, you already sound like Dotty!!! Watford does not need a paid Mayor. Chairman of the Borough Council is more than enough, and has been agreed by most parties as the way back to reality. So why do we need a Chief Executive on £130,000 Pa, as well? Have you not noticed that no one else wants Elected Mayors, if they are that good, everyone would elect them. To get another Mugabe like Daft Dotty, only accountable to that dodgy smirk in the Mirror, is not Democracy! A good experienced Chief Executive, and good elected Councillors is the NATIONAL Template. Also who appointed this Muppet Lewis? Veritas
  • Score: 6

2:59pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Veritas says...

Well done Mr A. Moore, Mr Phil Cox, You were both more than a real match for Daft Dotty, you made a look like a real liar, when she was asked to confirm that a new Hospital was to be built, shame the presenter was not more Paxman, who would have really made her look dafter!!
The more she opens her mouth, the more she digs a bigger hole, shame you can't get her to do some digging at the allotments!!!!!!!!

Real effort should be made to educate people as to the real purpose
of the Wealth Campus, and how badly it will effect West Watford, as people are still confused going by the Radio interview that not using Allotments will affect the development of the site!! All lies and spin

Go for London Today, BBC, ITV, as our contacts say there is a momentum building up here especially with the impending Legal case. Car banners are being organised to cast light on Dottys lies and Spin
Well done Mr A. Moore, Mr Phil Cox, You were both more than a real match for Daft Dotty, you made a look like a real liar, when she was asked to confirm that a new Hospital was to be built, shame the presenter was not more Paxman, who would have really made her look dafter!! The more she opens her mouth, the more she digs a bigger hole, shame you can't get her to do some digging at the allotments!!!!!!!! Real effort should be made to educate people as to the real purpose of the Wealth Campus, and how badly it will effect West Watford, as people are still confused going by the Radio interview that not using Allotments will affect the development of the site!! All lies and spin Go for London Today, BBC, ITV, as our contacts say there is a momentum building up here especially with the impending Legal case. Car banners are being organised to cast light on Dottys lies and Spin Veritas
  • Score: 4

3:08pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Veritas wrote:
Nice try Phil, you already sound like Dotty!!!

Watford does not need a paid Mayor. Chairman of the Borough Council
is more than enough, and has been agreed by most parties as the
way back to reality.

So why do we need a Chief Executive on £130,000 Pa, as well?

Have you not noticed that no one else wants Elected Mayors, if they are that good, everyone would elect them.

To get another Mugabe like Daft Dotty, only accountable to that dodgy smirk in the Mirror, is not Democracy!

A good experienced Chief Executive, and good elected Councillors is
the NATIONAL Template.

Also who appointed this Muppet Lewis?
Please, don't say that. I am easily offended in such matters. I crossed swords with her today for the first time on 3 Counties over the allotments. She did not do well and tried to avoid answering questions. I'm really not like that. Not like her at all.

I believe a good Mayor is worth having and worth paying for. It's beneficial to the town and well worth the money.

A bad Mayor isn't worth tuppence so make sure your vote counts. It's not just a party thing, it's more a person thing. Choose the right man or woman and don't elect a disaster-in-waiting.
[quote][p][bold]Veritas[/bold] wrote: Nice try Phil, you already sound like Dotty!!! Watford does not need a paid Mayor. Chairman of the Borough Council is more than enough, and has been agreed by most parties as the way back to reality. So why do we need a Chief Executive on £130,000 Pa, as well? Have you not noticed that no one else wants Elected Mayors, if they are that good, everyone would elect them. To get another Mugabe like Daft Dotty, only accountable to that dodgy smirk in the Mirror, is not Democracy! A good experienced Chief Executive, and good elected Councillors is the NATIONAL Template. Also who appointed this Muppet Lewis?[/p][/quote]Please, don't say that. I am easily offended in such matters. I crossed swords with her today for the first time on 3 Counties over the allotments. She did not do well and tried to avoid answering questions. I'm really not like that. Not like her at all. I believe a good Mayor is worth having and worth paying for. It's beneficial to the town and well worth the money. A bad Mayor isn't worth tuppence so make sure your vote counts. It's not just a party thing, it's more a person thing. Choose the right man or woman and don't elect a disaster-in-waiting. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -3

3:18pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

Veritas wrote:
Well done Mr A. Moore, Mr Phil Cox, You were both more than a real match for Daft Dotty, you made a look like a real liar, when she was asked to confirm that a new Hospital was to be built, shame the presenter was not more Paxman, who would have really made her look dafter!!
The more she opens her mouth, the more she digs a bigger hole, shame you can't get her to do some digging at the allotments!!!!!!!!

Real effort should be made to educate people as to the real purpose
of the Wealth Campus, and how badly it will effect West Watford, as people are still confused going by the Radio interview that not using Allotments will affect the development of the site!! All lies and spin

Go for London Today, BBC, ITV, as our contacts say there is a momentum building up here especially with the impending Legal case. Car banners are being organised to cast light on Dottys lies and Spin
Thank you Veritas.

I raised a straight question and to his credit the interviewer never let her off the hook despite her tactics at avoiding it. I think it was very telling and for once we managed to nail the lie over the new hospital. She did appear very shifty.

I am looking forward to the hustings where I will be able to deal with Dotty in greater depth.

Roll on the election.
[quote][p][bold]Veritas[/bold] wrote: Well done Mr A. Moore, Mr Phil Cox, You were both more than a real match for Daft Dotty, you made a look like a real liar, when she was asked to confirm that a new Hospital was to be built, shame the presenter was not more Paxman, who would have really made her look dafter!! The more she opens her mouth, the more she digs a bigger hole, shame you can't get her to do some digging at the allotments!!!!!!!! Real effort should be made to educate people as to the real purpose of the Wealth Campus, and how badly it will effect West Watford, as people are still confused going by the Radio interview that not using Allotments will affect the development of the site!! All lies and spin Go for London Today, BBC, ITV, as our contacts say there is a momentum building up here especially with the impending Legal case. Car banners are being organised to cast light on Dottys lies and Spin[/p][/quote]Thank you Veritas. I raised a straight question and to his credit the interviewer never let her off the hook despite her tactics at avoiding it. I think it was very telling and for once we managed to nail the lie over the new hospital. She did appear very shifty. I am looking forward to the hustings where I will be able to deal with Dotty in greater depth. Roll on the election. Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: -6

4:13pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Veritas says...

Yes, apologies,

Yes she came across as very Shifty, why did you not pull her up on
the fact it is not a Health Campus, you must nail that down, otherwise
people will still get fooled by her and vote for her in error!!

No one will ever be as bad as Dotty and her Dodgy Lib Cllrs. But the point is its still way too much money, do you believe that Councillors need such high expenses?

Its been contentious for many a year, allowances etc.

lets take a look at Dotty's sidekick, how much does he get in allowances?

We need to know what they also get i.e. phone call, internet so we can check up on a questionable chap that looks looks a bit Yoda!!!

Make that a Mission Mr Phil, let us know who gets what, that will make the
electorate think twice about voting for them, espeicially when over 4000 people in Watford regularly use Food Banks,

It was on TV, Dotty is bring Watford's standing down.

Well not long to go now, lets also see What she has allegedly promised to Minority groups, for their Postal Votes?

Dotty you don't look as patronising as normal, you sounded Craaappp
on the Radio, please more, more more.

We are sure that your arrogance will be your downfall.
Yes, apologies, Yes she came across as very Shifty, why did you not pull her up on the fact it is not a Health Campus, you must nail that down, otherwise people will still get fooled by her and vote for her in error!! No one will ever be as bad as Dotty and her Dodgy Lib Cllrs. But the point is its still way too much money, do you believe that Councillors need such high expenses? Its been contentious for many a year, allowances etc. lets take a look at Dotty's sidekick, how much does he get in allowances? We need to know what they also get i.e. phone call, internet so we can check up on a questionable chap that looks looks a bit Yoda!!! Make that a Mission Mr Phil, let us know who gets what, that will make the electorate think twice about voting for them, espeicially when over 4000 people in Watford regularly use Food Banks, It was on TV, Dotty is bring Watford's standing down. Well not long to go now, lets also see What she has allegedly promised to Minority groups, for their Postal Votes? Dotty you don't look as patronising as normal, you sounded Craaappp on the Radio, please more, more more. We are sure that your arrogance will be your downfall. Veritas
  • Score: 5

6:12pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Cuetip says...

Veritas wrote:
Nice try Phil, you already sound like Dotty!!!

Watford does not need a paid Mayor. Chairman of the Borough Council
is more than enough, and has been agreed by most parties as the
way back to reality.

So why do we need a Chief Executive on £130,000 Pa, as well?

Have you not noticed that no one else wants Elected Mayors, if they are that good, everyone would elect them.

To get another Mugabe like Daft Dotty, only accountable to that dodgy smirk in the Mirror, is not Democracy!

A good experienced Chief Executive, and good elected Councillors is
the NATIONAL Template.

Also who appointed this Muppet Lewis?
Sir you obviously love to insult those who are powerless to fight back which is how playground bullies behave. If you were a gentleman, you would have the decency to apologise.

Did the bigots like George Wallace and John Vorster ever apologise to the innocent blacks for the disgraceful torture they had to endure?

I'm just asking as I remember did your local Tory Party try to shamefully expose Manny Lewis as someone he isn't and could have faced a defamation case as they perhaps thought he looked like another black person? Think of your Ian Oakley and his behaviour and the Liberals believe he wasn't acting alone. Perhaps you should apologise to those who were hurt.

They have now selected someone to represent all the people in Watford who refuses to answer whether she was the Fund Raiser for (BACL) British Asian Conservatve Link . This organsisation had to be closed down as Cameron's mobile number was being sold for £10,000 to only those who had the dosh. So much for democracy.
[quote][p][bold]Veritas[/bold] wrote: Nice try Phil, you already sound like Dotty!!! Watford does not need a paid Mayor. Chairman of the Borough Council is more than enough, and has been agreed by most parties as the way back to reality. So why do we need a Chief Executive on £130,000 Pa, as well? Have you not noticed that no one else wants Elected Mayors, if they are that good, everyone would elect them. To get another Mugabe like Daft Dotty, only accountable to that dodgy smirk in the Mirror, is not Democracy! A good experienced Chief Executive, and good elected Councillors is the NATIONAL Template. Also who appointed this Muppet Lewis?[/p][/quote]Sir you obviously love to insult those who are powerless to fight back which is how playground bullies behave. If you were a gentleman, you would have the decency to apologise. Did the bigots like George Wallace and John Vorster ever apologise to the innocent blacks for the disgraceful torture they had to endure? I'm just asking as I remember did your local Tory Party try to shamefully expose Manny Lewis as someone he isn't and could have faced a defamation case as they perhaps thought he looked like another black person? Think of your Ian Oakley and his behaviour and the Liberals believe he wasn't acting alone. Perhaps you should apologise to those who were hurt. They have now selected someone to represent all the people in Watford who refuses to answer whether she was the Fund Raiser for (BACL) British Asian Conservatve Link . This organsisation had to be closed down as Cameron's mobile number was being sold for £10,000 to only those who had the dosh. So much for democracy. Cuetip
  • Score: -5

7:12pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Veritas says...

lol, cuetip, Calling him a Muppet, maybe it should be Puppet, for that we
are truly sorry. He comes with more baggage allegedly than a famous
Spice Girl

The alleged Biggest/Liars are in the Town Hall, in positions of Power, you must really have your head in the sand if you don't know that about Watford.
lol, cuetip, Calling him a Muppet, maybe it should be Puppet, for that we are truly sorry. He comes with more baggage allegedly than a famous Spice Girl The alleged Biggest/Liars are in the Town Hall, in positions of Power, you must really have your head in the sand if you don't know that about Watford. Veritas
  • Score: 5

7:48pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Cuetip says...

Veritas wrote:
lol, cuetip, Calling him a Muppet, maybe it should be Puppet, for that we
are truly sorry. He comes with more baggage allegedly than a famous
Spice Girl

The alleged Biggest/Liars are in the Town Hall, in positions of Power, you must really have your head in the sand if you don't know that about Watford.
What's your comment on the Watford Conservative Assoc selection of candidates eg Ian Oakley who was jailed, Steve Johnson Chair who defects to Liberals , Yusef Fahemy defects to the Liberals, Linda Topping and don't be biased.
[quote][p][bold]Veritas[/bold] wrote: lol, cuetip, Calling him a Muppet, maybe it should be Puppet, for that we are truly sorry. He comes with more baggage allegedly than a famous Spice Girl The alleged Biggest/Liars are in the Town Hall, in positions of Power, you must really have your head in the sand if you don't know that about Watford.[/p][/quote]What's your comment on the Watford Conservative Assoc selection of candidates eg Ian Oakley who was jailed, Steve Johnson Chair who defects to Liberals , Yusef Fahemy defects to the Liberals, Linda Topping and don't be biased. Cuetip
  • Score: -10

10:26pm Thu 24 Apr 14

John Dowdle says...

Cuetip: I believe I know who Veritas is; if I am correct, you are barking up the wrong tree in assuming s/he has anything to do with the Conservatives.
You are right in making comments about the wholly unacceptable conduct of Ian Oakley and other Conservatives.
This does not mean, however, that any of us have forgotten the unscrupulous election campaign waged by the Lib Dems during the Bermondsey by-election which resulted in the election of Simon Hughes - the claimed "straight" choice.
Since then, it has become standard Lib Dem tactics to muck rake against any of their political opponents, as seen when the Watford Lib Dems tried - and failed - to smear Jagtar Dhindsa, Labour's mayoral candidate.
The Lib Dems truly are disgusting individuals, don't you agree?
Cuetip: I believe I know who Veritas is; if I am correct, you are barking up the wrong tree in assuming s/he has anything to do with the Conservatives. You are right in making comments about the wholly unacceptable conduct of Ian Oakley and other Conservatives. This does not mean, however, that any of us have forgotten the unscrupulous election campaign waged by the Lib Dems during the Bermondsey by-election which resulted in the election of Simon Hughes - the claimed "straight" choice. Since then, it has become standard Lib Dem tactics to muck rake against any of their political opponents, as seen when the Watford Lib Dems tried - and failed - to smear Jagtar Dhindsa, Labour's mayoral candidate. The Lib Dems truly are disgusting individuals, don't you agree? John Dowdle
  • Score: 8

11:28pm Thu 24 Apr 14

Cuetip says...

John Dowdle wrote:
Cuetip: I believe I know who Veritas is; if I am correct, you are barking up the wrong tree in assuming s/he has anything to do with the Conservatives.
You are right in making comments about the wholly unacceptable conduct of Ian Oakley and other Conservatives.
This does not mean, however, that any of us have forgotten the unscrupulous election campaign waged by the Lib Dems during the Bermondsey by-election which resulted in the election of Simon Hughes - the claimed "straight" choice.
Since then, it has become standard Lib Dem tactics to muck rake against any of their political opponents, as seen when the Watford Lib Dems tried - and failed - to smear Jagtar Dhindsa, Labour's mayoral candidate.
The Lib Dems truly are disgusting individuals, don't you agree?
John you are absolutely spot on but I tend to focus on the tactics used by the Watford Liberals and Conservatives to not recognise that these highly nasty vindictive campaigns feed on tribal loyalty, ignorance and naked prejudice. The only policy the ex Con Chair - and now a Liberal - ever had was to get rid of the Mayor and now he votes to keep the mayor.

We seem to be sadly plagued in Watford by Liberal / Conservative politicians who believe that winning is all that matters and have shown they are prepared to use all kinds of nefarious means to assassinate opponents to get elected eg Ex Liberal Smillie who claimed expenses whilst ensconced in Miami.

The typical cowardly attack on Manny Lewis, the defections to the Liberal ranks by the much decimated Conservative Association with their deadwood who are fast defecting to the Liberals ie Yusef Fahemy now calling himself Joe to sound more appealing looks unbalanced.

Veritas calling Manny Lewis a muppet was way below the belt and he refuses to comment on the Conservative candidate and BACL and there is more when she resurfaces or their ex chair who defected and the others. What about the profanities by Con candidate Chris Hawes?
[quote][p][bold]John Dowdle[/bold] wrote: Cuetip: I believe I know who Veritas is; if I am correct, you are barking up the wrong tree in assuming s/he has anything to do with the Conservatives. You are right in making comments about the wholly unacceptable conduct of Ian Oakley and other Conservatives. This does not mean, however, that any of us have forgotten the unscrupulous election campaign waged by the Lib Dems during the Bermondsey by-election which resulted in the election of Simon Hughes - the claimed "straight" choice. Since then, it has become standard Lib Dem tactics to muck rake against any of their political opponents, as seen when the Watford Lib Dems tried - and failed - to smear Jagtar Dhindsa, Labour's mayoral candidate. The Lib Dems truly are disgusting individuals, don't you agree?[/p][/quote]John you are absolutely spot on but I tend to focus on the tactics used by the Watford Liberals and Conservatives to not recognise that these highly nasty vindictive campaigns feed on tribal loyalty, ignorance and naked prejudice. The only policy the ex Con Chair - and now a Liberal - ever had was to get rid of the Mayor and now he votes to keep the mayor. We seem to be sadly plagued in Watford by Liberal / Conservative politicians who believe that winning is all that matters and have shown they are prepared to use all kinds of nefarious means to assassinate opponents to get elected eg Ex Liberal Smillie who claimed expenses whilst ensconced in Miami. The typical cowardly attack on Manny Lewis, the defections to the Liberal ranks by the much decimated Conservative Association with their deadwood who are fast defecting to the Liberals ie Yusef Fahemy now calling himself Joe to sound more appealing looks unbalanced. Veritas calling Manny Lewis a muppet was way below the belt and he refuses to comment on the Conservative candidate and BACL and there is more when she resurfaces or their ex chair who defected and the others. What about the profanities by Con candidate Chris Hawes? Cuetip
  • Score: -11

2:19am Fri 25 Apr 14

Veritas says...

Hi is a Puppet/Muppet,

Now lets see, before Manny came into the Council, we had Council Houses, leisure Centres, Council Cleaning Services.

They plus many other services are now OUT SOURCED,
so What exactly does he do for his £130,000 plus salary?

Poor Street Cleaners are up to £400 a month worse off, streets look disgusting, a they have got rid of most of the Machines, and the poor chaps
as was witnessed have to clean the streets with a Broom and Shovel!!

agree that the Libs/Con run really nasty disgusting campaigns
Poor you Cutip to feel sorry for Manny, him and his cronies, are not adverse to being Bullies, allegedly
Hi is a Puppet/Muppet, Now lets see, before Manny came into the Council, we had Council Houses, leisure Centres, Council Cleaning Services. They plus many other services are now OUT SOURCED, so What exactly does he do for his £130,000 plus salary? Poor Street Cleaners are up to £400 a month worse off, streets look disgusting, a they have got rid of most of the Machines, and the poor chaps as was witnessed have to clean the streets with a Broom and Shovel!! agree that the Libs/Con run really nasty disgusting campaigns Poor you Cutip to feel sorry for Manny, him and his cronies, are not adverse to being Bullies, allegedly Veritas
  • Score: 13

7:58am Fri 25 Apr 14

Cuetip says...

Looking at the growth in paper candidates, defections for political flags of convenience, your head in the sand on BACL says alot more about the bullying cronyism that you know exists and the sort of councillors that the out of touch political parties feel the people of Watford deserve. Check councillor attendance.

'Veritas calling Manny Lewis a muppet was way below the belt and he refuses to comment on the Conservative candidate and BACL and there is more when she resurfaces or their ex chair who defected and the others. What about the profanities by Con candidate Chris Hawes?'

Your sheep like bias is so obvious because you are not 'In Touch' and never have been. Your cowardly attacks on a certain types of people clearly shows you are into profiling.

Watford deserves far better than the sort of people you have naively supported.
Looking at the growth in paper candidates, defections for political flags of convenience, your head in the sand on BACL says alot more about the bullying cronyism that you know exists and the sort of councillors that the out of touch political parties feel the people of Watford deserve. Check councillor attendance. 'Veritas calling Manny Lewis a muppet was way below the belt and he refuses to comment on the Conservative candidate and BACL and there is more when she resurfaces or their ex chair who defected and the others. What about the profanities by Con candidate Chris Hawes?' Your sheep like bias is so obvious because you are not 'In Touch' and never have been. Your cowardly attacks on a certain types of people clearly shows you are into profiling. Watford deserves far better than the sort of people you have naively supported. Cuetip
  • Score: -32

11:53am Fri 25 Apr 14

John Dowdle says...

Malcolm: you are way off the mark in your remarks about Veritas.
S/he is no Tory member, supporter or defender.
It seems you have turned against the Conservative Party you once were a member of and standing as an Independent candidate in the May 22nd council elections.
Any personal issues you have are with the Conservative Party, no one else.
You need to decide who it is you are standing for election for in order to be clear about what it is you will represent. Your bitterness towards the Tories - well-founded or otherwise - is no basis for standing for election.
You have to offer a positive manifesto to the people of Park Ward.
Forget the Tories; for you, they are yesterday - old news, old history.
You need to offer a positive alternative to the Tories, either as an individual or as part of another grouping or political party.
To misquote TWTWTW, "That was the party that was, it's over - let it go"!
Malcolm: you are way off the mark in your remarks about Veritas. S/he is no Tory member, supporter or defender. It seems you have turned against the Conservative Party you once were a member of and standing as an Independent candidate in the May 22nd council elections. Any personal issues you have are with the Conservative Party, no one else. You need to decide who it is you are standing for election for in order to be clear about what it is you will represent. Your bitterness towards the Tories - well-founded or otherwise - is no basis for standing for election. You have to offer a positive manifesto to the people of Park Ward. Forget the Tories; for you, they are yesterday - old news, old history. You need to offer a positive alternative to the Tories, either as an individual or as part of another grouping or political party. To misquote TWTWTW, "That was the party that was, it's over - let it go"! John Dowdle
  • Score: 36

9:32am Thu 15 May 14

Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford says...

The radio interview featuring Mayor Dorothy Thornhill desperately trying to avoid answering the Question "Will there be a new hospital as part of the Health Campus?" will be appearing on the UKIP Watford website just as soon as we can get it loaded on, hopefully later today. Please have a listen to it, it will tell you a lot about how our Mayor operates.

Vote UKIP!

www.ukip-watford.org
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The radio interview featuring Mayor Dorothy Thornhill desperately trying to avoid answering the Question "Will there be a new hospital as part of the Health Campus?" will be appearing on the UKIP Watford website just as soon as we can get it loaded on, hopefully later today. Please have a listen to it, it will tell you a lot about how our Mayor operates. Vote UKIP! www.ukip-watford.org .uk Phil Cox - UKIP Mayoral candidate for Watford
  • Score: 0

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